Not sure about this one...

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Not sure about this one...

Postby Zipperhead62 » Tue May 15, 2012 11:36 pm

I've been chatting with this Flipina woman. Met her on Cherry Blossoms. She is 43 years old, and a nursing student who graduated this year. She has shown me graduation photos that prove she has in fact attended the college and graduated. She is currently in the process of doing a review as preparation for writing the licencing exam in June this year. She really wants to go to Canada (or any other well-off Western country) to be a nurse. She says that she is still considering returning to Israel for work, and has friends there who can help.

She lives in Cebu City and claims that she owns her own home, and has a small plot of land in the countryside. The land is supposedly an inheritance from her parents, who are both deceased. The house is of uncertain provenance. I'm under the impression that she acquired it through savings garnered through working as a personal caregiver in Israel for 10 years. As to her schooling, she claims that she partially funded it through savings and the balance through a loan from her sister.

She has a 20 year old son who is a merchant marine engineering apprentice and occasionally visits.

We have chatted extensively over the last two months via webcam. In that time she has not once asked me for money, nor hinted at anything that would suggest a request for money was coming.

I recently asked her if she would come visit me in Canada if I paid for half of her airfare, and she said 'yes'. I warned her that a tourist visa would likely be impossible to obtain. She didn't seem worried about this and reiterated her willingness to have me come visit her in the PI and stay with her if she couldn't get a visa. I realize there is a real risk that she could bugger off the minute she lands in Canada.

What's amazing is that she emailed me copies of her passport, student ID, and original birth certificate, thinking that I was the one who would need to apply for the visa. She has also provided me with what appears to be a legitimate street address in Cebu City.

She claims that she is separated and has not got an annulment because of the expense. Recently she claimed that she is friends with a judge who says she could help her expedite the process. Frankly I doubt it, because no ethical judge would make such a statement or place himself/herself in a potential conflict of interest to assist a friend. But I understand that bribery is a well-practiced art in the Philippines, too. :lol:

I still have concerns about her. She's clearly real, very real. But some things just aren't adding up for me.

What I wonder: Does she have a boyfriend lurking in the background? Or is the husband is still in the picture? While chatting with her on webcam, I did catch a fleeting glimpse of someone she called her 'uncle', who she claims is 56 years old, and also her aunt, whose age is unknown. Is the 'uncle' really the boyfriend/spouse? I suppose I wouldn't find this out (if ever) until I met her.

I still have trouble reconciling how she could have a house of her own, enough money to cover routine maintenance/utilities expenses and even construction costs (I've seen pics of the house and it's a work in progress), and still be able to afford nursing school and a trip overseas. My thinking is, not without a lot of money socked away, or coming in from somewhere. Or someone in the background helping her out.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby ray » Wed May 16, 2012 12:00 am

When I looked into the annulment process, I thought i came across a time period within which the couple had to apply. I think it was seven years from their separation. Frankly, I think she is just using you to pay for the speedy annulment. If she really loves you and wants to be with you, ask her to get it done and then you will reimburse her for the fees after she joins you in Canada.
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby steviebaby » Wed May 16, 2012 12:22 am

If indeed she has worked in Israel as a care-giver for 10 years, then she could certainly have amassed enough funds to set herself up nicely, and still have money left to draw on for other expenses.

Her husband could still be on the scene, or could return to the scene once he discovers his wife is hitched up with a kano. Also, the 'Uncle' could well be the husband, and the separation is just a ruse to hook you.

Please don't take everything at face value - and especially photos and documentation. There have been reported cases of girlfriends being 'in hospital' very sick, and needing emergency money straight away. Turns out later that the photo was a set-up, and the girl used a bed at the local clinic where her friend worked!

Regarding the nursing school costs etc., I'm sure Maria will be able to best answer this aspect for you.

In the mean time - go slow, be careful and, above all, do not send money.
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby Spruik » Wed May 16, 2012 1:18 am

About 'uncles'...

When I was dating the first Pinay I married, she was living with her uncle. In the evening of our wedding day (after the wedding), I discovered that her uncle was none other than her live-in boyfriend of several years.

She had written a note to him on a pad in the hotel room, saying how she missed him. I got suspicious and by means of pencil rubbing the next page and having the text translated by hotel staff, the truth surfaced.

From one man's bed into another. Actually, my second Pinay wife did the same (bedhopping), twice.
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby Cal A Baugh » Wed May 16, 2012 8:42 am

You have seen this lady on cam, often?

Why won't you consider visiting her? You could learn a lot more about her seeing what she is up to where she lives, than how she acts as a tourist, (if she can get the visa).

Sending money to come see you, even half, or a modest amount, is not smart. 'Visa and travel' is the basis for a lot of scams. If you have the misconception that it's possible to pick a girl from an online catalog and have her show up on your doorstep, you're going to get scammed.

Are you so in love with the frozen north you can't tear yourself away to go to a tropical country, have a good time, (whether this lady is part of it or not?) and learn something about the country? :)


We try to get guys to think we when they run into ladies online. The ladies sometimes lie, sometimes outright scam, and other times shape the truth a bit to make the story more appealing to the guy.

You can't automatically accept the whole story they tell you as fact. Listen to it, file it away for future comparison and reference.


Personally, I'd be wary of getting into a relationship where the filipina is separated. I hate to say this, but there are plenty of equally attractive and interesting ladies who are single. Yes, I know a couple of our members married 'separated' ladies, and helped with the annulment, (And I'm happy they're doing well) but it's a matter of filtering out some of the problem ladies. Most of us would probably avoid the cute 35 year old lady with 5 kids under 14, too.

Take your time.
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby Zipperhead62 » Wed May 16, 2012 5:56 pm

Spruik wrote:About 'uncles'...

When I was dating the first Pinay I married, she was living with her uncle. In the evening of our wedding day (after the wedding), I discovered that her uncle was none other than her live-in boyfriend of several years.

She had written a note to him on a pad in the hotel room, saying how she missed him. I got suspicious and by means of pencil rubbing the next page and having the text translated by hotel staff, the truth surfaced.

From one man's bed into another. Actually, my second Pinay wife did the same (bedhopping), twice.


So what did you do when you discovered her cheating on you? Divorce her right then and there? What about the second wife? I'm almost beginning to wonder now if I should bother with the Philippines. The women
there seem to be so duplicitous. I mean, can you trust anyone? And how do you find the ones you can trust??

The interesting thing about the woman I've been chatting with is that one day she showed me a picture of the man she was with after she and her husband split up. She claims that the boyfriend (who was a
nursing student just like herself) was shot dead in an armed robbery. Now, while I didn't get a really clear look at the 'uncle' one day when he very briefly hoved into view on the girl's webcam, the impression that I had
was that he somehow seemed to resemble the now deceased boyfriend. For what it's worth, the girl has pics of the boyfriend sitting on her nightstand, and they are visible (although off in the distance)
whenever I chat with her.
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby Zipperhead62 » Wed May 16, 2012 6:17 pm

Cal A Baugh wrote:You have seen this lady on cam, often?


Yes, I've chatted with her quite a few times over the last few months.

Why won't you consider visiting her? You could learn a lot more about her seeing what she is up to where she lives, than how she acts as a tourist, (if she can get the visa). {/quote]

We have discussed me coming to visit her, and agreed that if a visa was not in the cards, I would be coming to visit her.

Sending money to come see you, even half, or a modest amount, is not smart. 'Visa and travel' is the basis for a lot of scams. If you have the misconception that it's possible to pick a girl from an online catalog and have her show up on your doorstep, you're going to get scammed.


My plan is to send her a ticket in her name which she can't exchange for a refund or anything else. I wouldn't dream of sending her the airfare in cash.

Are you so in love with the frozen north you can't tear yourself away to go to a tropical country, have a good time, (whether this lady is part of it or not?) and learn something about the country? :)


No, and it's not frozen here. I just thought by inviting her I could save a little time and money.

We try to get guys to think we when they run into ladies online. The ladies sometimes lie, sometimes outright scam, and other times shape the truth a bit to make the story more appealing to the guy.

You can't automatically accept the whole story they tell you as fact. Listen to it, file it away for future comparison and reference.


And I don't accept everything she says as fact. I never have. I sometimes question whether she could actually get a job as a nurse in a Western country. She has showed me some of her review (i.e.
pre-licencing review) marks, and while they're not failing marks, they're nothing to write home about. Her marks might be good enough to get a licence in the PI, but nursing standards in Canada
are somewhat more stringent and she would probably have to pass a licencing exam here, or take courses to achieve equivalency.


Personally, I'd be wary of getting into a relationship where the filipina is separated. I hate to say this, but there are plenty of equally attractive and interesting ladies who are single. Yes, I know a couple of our members married 'separated' ladies, and helped with the annulment, (And I'm happy they're doing well) but it's a matter of filtering out some of the problem ladies. Most of us would probably avoid the cute 35 year old lady with 5 kids under 14, too.

Take your time.


I agree. Now that I've learned about how Filipinas often have a boyfriend (or husband) in the background, I'm beginning to wonder if it's even wise or safe for me to get involved with her any further. Rumour has it that boyfriends
and even ex-husbands can get a tad upset about foreigners getting involved, sometimes murderously so.

At this rate, I might be better off just visiting the PI and see who I end up with that way.
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby reader » Wed May 16, 2012 6:46 pm

In Canada it might be very complicated to make someone come here, if you never meet her it might be even almost impossible, i don't think she can be a nurse here, for sure she will have to go back to school but it depends from wich province you are from, different province different rules...

If you ever get close to her, i mean starting to love her, maybe you should considarate a Private Investigator, it is not so expensive but can save you a lots of trouble.

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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby Spruik » Thu May 17, 2012 12:35 am

Zipperhead, what happened next is another story.

Basically we had a good marriage for 5 years (with some extreme downs) until she decided to execute her long term plan and piss off without notice, and proceeded to send the lawyers onto me. Two years further, almost total distruction while she got next to nothing but the winners were the lawyers.

My experience could have been avoided of I was more aware of a few things.

No need for private investigators. Do a course in recognising a person for what he/she is, by his/her attributes and you'll weed out most evil ones before you even start. Even then, no guarantees.

Guys who have a good marriage of long-standing with a Pinay are lucky. Some also tell bullcrap.
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Re: Not sure about this one...

Postby Cal A Baugh » Thu May 17, 2012 1:21 am

I was joking about the 'frozen north'.....actually a lot of filipinas work as domestics or caregivers in Canada.


I'm glad you're considering going there.

Not all filipinas are bad. You're more likely to keep bumping into bad ones on the 'net since many of them (bad ones)do nothing but prowl the 'net.
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